d a big thank-you dead guards later, are to be too, mr. storm trooper for hanging around. also princess leah. in the fourth -- force be with . liz: in. john: this amphibious vehicle drives on land and water. >> would you like said drive one of these things to work? big stakes. establish taxi companies. at the expense of cool new options. >> trying to get the ability for companies like mine to operate. john: something completely

different. libertarian. >> changing the opinion. john: good. when government gives some people special privileges it deprives us of good things like this. >> the government protect the chosen ones. that is our show tonight. ♪ >> and now john stossel. ♪ john: the chosen ones are what we call these selected ones that get special favors. you want to give someone a favor , fine, some which -- some business was to, fine, they and you spend your own money. unlike government, you cannot use force. government uses force with gives out favors. taxes you and me to give money and often special privileges to chosen ones. usually rich people with connections. and as government grows it gives upore favors like handouts to

so-called green energy companies are union car makers. most recently the really big money went to bankers on wall street. this causes a great deformation and corruption of capitalism says of former reagan budget director just wrote a book about that, david stockman. a great deformation. >> failed, overwhelmed. fiscally out of control. it is paralyzedecause it cnot make decisions because it is trying to do too much. in the process the private economy is being badly harmed, deeply undermined as a result of trying to maket better. in other words, the keynesian premise that we have had for decades is turning out to be upside down. john: the defenders of state intervention site the housing bubble burst in. they had to come in and rescue >> well, i don't think that is

remotely accurate. i think that is an urban legend. i have addressed this. i call at the blackberry panic. john: why the blackberry panic? >> because of the key policy makers were carrying around these diagnostic tools, the blackberry, there were watching the stock pce of morgan stanley to my goldman, there were looking at creditpreads. there were looking at stock market indices and so forth. and i say it is a fundamentally wrong way to make policy. you cannot let the boys and girls and robots on wall street drive policy which is exactly what was happening. there was only a failure going on in the canyons of wall street. the main street banking system was not in trouble in september. john: there were seeing on their blackberries, what seemed like the whole system would freeze up and that would cause massive hardship. >> that was the lyric story told

over and over by policy. john: they believe it. >> he was driving the thing. bernanke is the greatest money printer, keynesian monetary -- john: he is a smart guy. i will give you something he said. this bold approach will cost american families far less than the alternative. how did he possibly know? >> he could not have known. if he -- if you read his memoirs he says, i get a call from lloyd blank line of goldman. he is sorry that the shorts are coming after morgan stanley. well, take it down. and going to be next. you have to do something. guess what happened. the bailout more in. they wenttafter the tarp. john: and goldman and morgan went down. >> that is just a lot of baloney. okay? this is the urban legend that has been repeated over and over

because basically the cronies of capitalism have pulled the could a top. george bush was clueless. yet no idea what was going on. john: abandon free-market principles to save the free-market. >> well, that story, almost everything else is said. aig was not a contagious disease. it was not going to cause a huge problem. we can look at that. the mainstream banks were not going to go into a huge retail bankrupt. the money market funds or not going to collapse and cause economic systems to go down a black hole. and bernanke is totally wrong when he says we're on the verge of depression to a zero. we are not closed. we have done it many times in the history before, and this, as i say, was a wall street couldn't talk that really needs to be understood because, frankly, they're just doing the same day over and over again. john: so why when the republicans seem like they were going to let go against the bailout did the stock market

drop 700 plus points. >> the stock market is of poor. it totally dishonest. john: predicted. >> the stock market, i know that a lot of conservatives and free-market people think, well, the stock market is pricing this. the market believes that the job to taxpayer and america is to do -- open his veins whenever necessary with fiscal said -- with monetary largest, whenever it takes to keep the stock price stock index rising because that is what this regulator wants. this is why we are in trouble. because both parties have basically thrown in the tell and essentially are just aggravating mechanisms for special interest groups that are pondering -- john: the special interest group in this case is the chosen one, the banks. >> if they are too big to fail there too big to exist and need to be broken up and are dangerous. we have done nothing. john: it use a break them up, that is giving government more

powe. >> no, and it is not. the way i would break them up is very simple. you want to be a in a huge and be a danger to the whole financial system, fine. you cannot go to the fed window. you don't have that deposit insurance. if you want to be a free enterprise, get out there in the market and compete. john: i think we would be on better footing, but uni are sure in the minority about this. i hope that others will give more skeptical about bailouts. thank you, david stockman. it is not just wall street that is politically connected. when governments have special privileges, they get all kinds of people. farmers are richer than the average american. why should they give money? when should assume that the hand that's good to the neediest farmers, but actually mostly rich farmers and people like pancho villa who owns acres of land in new jersey but pays only $100 in state property tax. because he raises honeybees' he

qualifies for a honeybee subsidy. bruce springsteen and owns hundreds of acres of land up days little tax and because an organic farmer works his land. his poor neighbors pay more. >> it is unfair that i have to pay for an acre and have an airplane for hundreds of acres for $200. john: it is unfair that i was collected from another government proam subsidized flood insurance. years ago about the speech else. that is the younger me there. the house is on the edge of the atlantic ocean, risky place to build, but i've built anyway because a federal program guaranteed my investment. eventually a storm swept away my first floor. the whole us went.

john: i was young. won't do it again. when many example. there reporter for the washington examiner. so what else? well. >> obamacare, the affordable care act was a huge crony capitalism corporate welfare for all the companies that got at the table. i think the biggest liar was probably the drug companies that actually had a hand in writing the bill and ended up helping of the democrats to support it. how did they get held? >> they get along expressivity on their drugs to meeting you could not give generics for 12 years on some of these drugs. another thing is that they get all sorts of taxpayer subsidies. finally, the individual mandate that forces you to buy health insurance will force you to buy drug insurance to more the latter not. john: you could say the companies were smart. saying, obamacare is coming and we want to be in on it. >> i don't think obamacare would have even passed without the drug companies. john: by contrast, the medical

device makers got hit with a fat tax. you say they were not clever enough to get paid cronies to lobbyists to get close enough to obama? >> yet to get at the table first to be generous in their campaign contributions. the health insurers were at first on board and then they backed off supporting some. they ended up getting waxed pretty hard by the bill. john: the import export bank. >> a government agency that just subsidizes u.s. exports. 8 percent of a loan guarantee dollars subsidize one company, boeing. john: it's good for america if they sell more planes. >> it's good for boeing. if you guarantee a loan to boeing, that means some other company is not getting that loan. think about the position of the bank. you can loan money to company a or to boeing. the government will back up your loan. they get it. the company loses up. john: thank you. coming up, how you subsidized

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♪ john: the department of agriculture also use our tax money to buy 400,000 tons of

sugar to limit supply and booze prices so that sugar producers can payback government loans that they could default on. you calling me here? we loaned them money and our giving you more money so that they can pay back our loan. [laughter] he still wonder why were $16 trillion in debt, anybody? any questions? john: not for me. he gets that one exactly right. it is so of surged that it is fodder for, the show. but should not make us laugh because we pay for it. america's share producers are among the most privileged of the chosen ones. they declined to come on this program to talk about a scam. we asked all the big sugar group of florida's sugar cane growers, corporate, colorado sugar association, they also note. the u.s. our culturalepartment also said no reason to get an explanation for why share producers are the chosen ones and how their scam works, let's turn to sally james, a -- sallie

james. trade specialist at the cato institute. this costs americans about $3 billion per year in higher prices. >> events and the difference between prices and domestic, but they were between 700 million in 2011 almost $4 billion per year. john: it is not a direct subsidy , but the price -- explain it. >> that's right. we don't actually give money ted sugar growers combat except in exceptional circumstances like what jay leno was referring to. what we do is we shall support to these farmers by keeping prices high. the way we do that is by as letting the market. domestic supply, something called marketing allotments, and we limit imports. john: out of this come to be? this is sugar. we are supposed to sugar. >> right. we have had sugar tariffs since 1789.. there is a sugar act of 1934 that added to the program. john: to protect the american sugar industry.

>> and this comes about through three main sectors, all political. first of all, we have to make you like, a very powerful group that spends a lot of money on lobbying. they are a small -- john: they spend a lot anyway, but shearson's the most. >> that's right. even there is only about 2% of u.s. crop projection it spends about 30 percent of the lobbying money of the krupp industries. the other problem with this program is that is hidden. it is not a live among the federal budget. this unequal incentive for lobbying. consumers pay a few dollars per year to maintain the status quo. if you necessarily know about it. john: incentives. >> exactly. the producers that use incentives whenever people talk about reform to stop it because they stand to lose hundreds of millions or billions of dollars per year if reform is implemented. john: i also figured the 60's because it is complicated and boring. people could get their brains

around it. solyndra, you could see the building, solar panels, line item on the budget. the gsa scandal. a guyn a hot tub with a champagne glass. >> far more interesting and marketing press a lot manson the import quotas. absolutely. john: on this program earlier talking about the great deformation, how these policies distort the economy. this does that too. it just hurts poor people. other countries. >> absolutely. so the losers -- the winners are, whenever the chosen ones are, but the losers are american consumers, not just your eye if we buy canned your shirt, also candy manufacturers have to pay more for sugar, and other countries who might exploit their sugar to the united states if they could. and that is among some of the poorest countries in the world. africa, the caribbean, brazil, the country's. john: the beneficiary is like this angel family, one of the richest in the country.

brilliance of lobbyists. they lobbied me. very charming people. they say that you have to help us because these other countries , they subsidize there share producers. without all this up we cannot compete with them. >> of other companies subsidized sugar producers that means sugar would be cheap. that's good. it is a gift to the american consumers. thank you. john: if they want to rip off the taxpayers we should free up enough of it. >> a problem for them, but we should be grateful. john: thank you. coming up, taxes on demand. and new application helps you hail a taxi. but the chosen ones wanted band. ♪ this is america.

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phone, find a free taxi near where i am and just bucket. actually, today, we can. twenty-five cities to my thanks to a company called uber, you can open the application and see the cars around you that are free, available for hire. it is those black dots. you can just get a car to come and pick you up witn minutes. prices vary depending on whether it is rush hour quiet hour. consumers like the service. in just three years it grow from hundreds of users to millions. but every step of the way they had to fight regulators. d.c., san francisco, denver, the proposed rules that would have put it brought a business. why? thou, the regulators said they're concerned about safety and order. all of those -- regulators end up in bed with the already is set was companies. the chosen ones.

the companies, that is. in this case, the chosen ones of the established texas companies here in new york city is the yellow cabs. one reason there is often a shortage of them is that it government limits the number allowed on the street. thanks to that, the calves are allowed on the streets are so busy that each taxi licenses or a million dollars. in the industry levees politicians to prevent anyone else from picking me up. so when uber showed up the business was not happy. he has to deal with that. still does. so what has that been like, travis kalanick? >> welcome at this point it is just part of what we do every day. pro which would give up percent of my time is spent dealing with the powers that be trying to squish innovation and stifle competition. in the 25 plus things around the world wherein. john: is counterintuitive. the idea of making it easy daylit cab makes sense from

every direction, from a custer, from less cars idling empty and polluting. praise him altogether. it is not just taxis. you can remember that old phone monopoly. and this is all that we could have. one phone. and they fought to hold the monopoly. there would be chaos and confusion others were allowed to compete. that is, in a way, t same thing of the cab companies argue it will be safe. there will be cool is is on the street. >> what they're most upset about is not really a safety thing. they make that mostly apparent. what they're worried about is a high-quality service can now also provide a very short response time. you not only did the high-quality, but you get it in minutes. john: allegis said this in denver, uses return from where they propose rules like your cars cannot charge by distance. >> that's right. of course, distances people.

it's like telling a hotel, you cannot crge but denied. does not make much sense. they're trying to do is that rule and a few others, trying to get the ability for companies like mine to operate. john: we have some video from the fight in denver where they are demanding these new rules. let's see some of the people we interviewed. >> you provide this service and safety to the public. it is not all about the money. it is important to make sure that taxes are able to continue to earn a living and not just compete with, you know, anyone that comes into the market. >> trading a situation where they're basically is a free-for-all and they can operate how they want, charging they want, do whatever else they want. john: she is a lawyer for the taxi industry and the others of the lawyers for the taxi companies. she says that everyone can do what they want, like that is a problem. it reminds me what a huffington

post tech writer said. your company's pre become a dangerous and ideology lead as to whether we want. of that was good question to the folks to give most upset abo what we do a folks what the government to control and really monopolized major services in cities across the country. john: some have a price war in national. the minimum ride is $40. >> you have $40. miami 80. is the places we can go. it doesn't matter if you go five minutes down the road. yet to pay $80. and he is because of this that we have not been a will to roll out in miami. if you're in one of the cities where we are, which is most major cities around the country and you go to miami, it feels like you're living in the dark ages. and a innovation speeds up this kind of regulatory capture that happens, this kind of sort of cartels that are allowed to exist makes cities feel like they are really far behind the rest of the world.

john: the politicians in charge of feel that way. regulatory capture because there are close to the chosen ones committee established businesses you had to hire a lobbyist because you cannot even get to the politicians. >> sometimes just to get a meeting with the folks that you need to talk to you have got to go hire a lobbyist just to get in the meeting. john: my idea libertarian world would not just the town cars. i have a minivan. i have to be able to take a call, pick somebody up. >> fair enough. look. there are models for those types of things. and the markets it generally sort these things out. a. there are a base level of rules the cars is short and you have a driver's license. things that are truly related to safety, but beyond that don't think you need more regulation in most of these markets. john: the market sells so many problems. the regulators would get out of the way. thank you. and i should say, there are

other growing companies every cab regulators in similar ways. for example, if i go out of town and not allowed to run my apartment to someone. services like caribbean the now allow millions of travelers to book apartments like mine. with the regulators to collier will cover that in another show. >> what can you try one of these. >> the chosen one. up next.

♪ john: oh, no. wait a second. the wheels roll up. now i have a real boat.

cool. and and vivian vehicle. does fest on land and water. so why can't you drive want to work? and what can you drive one of these? a full-size car that does 30 miles-per-hour and water. it would be great for rescue missions where rescuers have to go from water to land to get to a hospital. like an american fire departments by? that's as the daughter of the man who invented those vehicles, debbie gibson. your father came up with these things. why can i buy them? >> well, the car was available in europe where was legal. america is not. we cannot put air bags in a vehicle is going to go on the ocean. john: the embargo of.

>> exactly. more flexible. the impact on the driver with the occupant, then they give you more discretion as to how you kindle a lot achieving that result. they don't mandate the process. john: did not mandate air bags as long as you have th or that to keep the driver safe, but there are more places where there is land and water together and more recreational. >> absolutely. >> that is exactly right. >> recreational vehicle. the laughter of the air bag. you c get approval for that in months. here it took years. >> in europe we can get it legal within a matter of months. they allow bikes on the roads. in most a to america they are not wrote legal. there is a lower threshold for

an off-road vehicle. john: you can get it approved, would you can try to work on the road. and you say part of this is crony capitalism. the chosen ones, in this case it turns out to be the big three, the established car companies. they like the rules because the key competitors like you out? >> well, i think that is lazar why there have not been any new car companies in the states for a decade. there are small fraction-run vehicles through europe and asia. there have not been in the year. is because the regulatory requirements are so much more stringent. when the regulations were written no one could even imagine such a thing as a high speed and the income so is outside of all of their categories and boxes. to that makes it difficult to be an innovator. john: the military has been working on amphibious vehicles for years. they're gonna so it will go eight miles-per-hour and a water. >> exactly. if there were trying to establish a something faster than that. they spend and looks like about

$10 billion contract to develop the pastor and divvies vehicle. they have failed. we succeeded, creating -- john: you're going 30 or 40 miles-per-hour. eight miles-per-hour was a record. >> exactly. we're sending our marines into battle with world war ii technology. john: fire departments, it will be imported because of their rescue someone in the water they have to transfer the body to a vehicle, which is painful. >> exactly. i mean, tracks and the large vehicles was developed for rescue and first responder, we feel that there will be a lot of lives sad by being able to pick people out of the water or go on rescue missions without being -- having to be mindful of whether there was water between you and your destination. you could get the no matter what the circumstances rising waters it that stray from the waters without having to transfer. john: the recreational vehicle.

>> exactly. i notice it has at least 29 warning labels. >> well, as i've mentioned to you, the whole toward and liability issues in the states require that your manual, but -- are here aren't -- barely anybody bothers reading it to cover any circumstance that someone might think of. john: are we safer because of these rules? >> i very much doubt it. i think innovation and allowing people to the be as creative and utilize the technologies is what is going to make a safer. john: i agree. thank you. later tonight, i will confront glenn beck. how dare you call himself a libertarian after supporting bank bailouts? the drug war, the patriot act. now he claims he is a libertarian. we will see. that is later.

next, kennedy reports on the privileges of the chosen ones we we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪

john: travis kalanick. john: there are the chosen ones, and then there are those who choose to the chosen ones dark.

in this congress often take care of themselves. special correspondent kennedy went to washington to check out some of their special privileges she felt some perks in the senate's. >> you can also get manicures, like saying. john: this set loses a third of a million dollars every year. it is what it did not want kennedy taking pictures. they kicked her out. at least the house part to the house barber shop was privatize a feedback. stop losing money. >> once again, even in the house and congress you can find a way for the free market to work. if we emulate this establishment and other operations of congress we can not only save taxpayers some money, but we can set an example. john: the national taxpayers union wonders why the senate does not privatize. >> the sergeant at arms keeps saying, i'm going to get to it. i'm going to get to.

part of the problem is a dozen very expensive legacy employees getting paid 70, 8,000er year. john: members of congress also good custom-made furniture. the head of the cabinet shop makes. >> of words of $100,000 a year. >> the price tag if you want to produce custom pieces that the senators want to read. john: anotherhing congress this is an exclusive subway system. like many public transit systems, of the cars are empty. >> the one area that is not even on the map that most people are so curious about. >> the house members fitness center. >> that is where paul ryan skills those ads. >> that is right. >> to read other? >> we can try it. john: so secret that after searching for an hour they could not find it. finally,. >> they have privileged parking here at the national airport. they can get in and out very ealy.

>> hi. john: she tried to park there. >> can i park here? >> no, ma'am. you can't. you can park in the garage. >> oh well. i guess we're not that the chosen ones. by. john: we are not the chosen ones. we are just the media command you could argue that these people entering the nation's business. they deserve a special parking lot. >> that is such baloney. nonsense. you and i know it. they have a base salary of 174,000 per year. it don't pay for travel, thousand dollars a month in the house to lease a car. and basically all the things that you and i have to pay for the eve of our salaries that doesn't exist for them. they live in a bubble. john: paid 1,704,000, but they don't pay for anything. with benefits is about 280,000. >> exactly. that is their base salary, close to $300,000 per year. my heart is breaking for them. no.

they're living in a bubble, and people say, well, you need the best. you need to make congress attractive. the best people in the country wants to run for office. john: right. >> my record is, this is the best? the fiscal clef and sequestration, really? this is the best he could have given us? john: was cut to the small stuff, the the visit. the house privatized. makes money. >> then it has cheaper hair cuts. the senate barbershops run at the annual deficit of close to $400,000 every year. john: anything run by the government loses money. >> exactly. the sergeant at arms says there in the process of privatizing which could take millennium. john: of the privileges, they get to send out free mail. propaganda. one of the reasons incumbents are rarely thrown out. the top guys spend 300, 400,000 per year. john: send thompson e-mails. you're spending $400,000 per year reeducating here is to join see, you're spending way too much money. do digitally.

it's free. john: it was worse. they used to be able to cash checks. >> every lawmaker used to have his own gold plated shaving cut in the grip --. they've gotten rid of that. john: progress. thank you. next, something very different. glenn beck now says he is a libertarian. how can that be true? he supported the bank bailout. warrantless wiretaps. i will confront him about this plan next. ♪ @í

♪ john: and now for something completely different, this year glenn beck said he is a libertarian. he is popular. he has millions of followers. his success and radio and tv gave me hope. he talked about reading milton friedman. he opposed that gm bailout. then he supported tarp. he said $700 billion in stimulus money is not enough. he supported the patriot act, warrantless wetapping. and at the republican primary, his candidate was the anti libertarian, rick santorum. so, glen cannon now you e-mail me and say, i have been moving closer to libertarianism with every day. that is good news. what do you mean? >> i have always considered

myself a libertarian leading republican. as is completely give up hope on any kind of republican that what actually did it. the republican party is a waste of time. so i have not really changed a lot of the things that i believed in. you get a few things right. i was never for the serious. never. john: this quote, 700 billion is not enough. >> must've been in just because there is no way. i was never for that. tarp, today's. i came out of a monday. people prepare because this is going to be bad. then i saw them put it together. as solid there were going to do. leaders try. by wednesday absolutely not. this is another -- this is corporate welfare. the patriot act, i was for it. i was stupid. that was always for the patriot act with some sense, which was not far enough, should never give them enough power. warrantless wiretaps, absolutely wrong again.

i was caught up in the whole war thing. completely foolish to trust a government. so what i said to you in that e-mail was, the only thing i would really change, slowly but surely i lost my entire faith and government having any answer or being square or decent and all. i don't believe that they have the individual at heart. believe they have their power card. it was foolish of me to think otherwise. john: and why santorum? >>ell, that one was because i believe that he was the only one out there that really kind of understood the war that this government was waging on religion. in particular this demonstration. i was not happy with any of the candid it's. in the end i was supporting romney. i was not happy with any of them i thought all of them, except for making bridge, were much better than the choice of obama.

that is what i was going for. john: okay. and part of your journey towards liberty, the drug war. when i interviewed you, 2020, you said you cannot legalize this stuff. >> i still don't think that we can legalize it over night. i believe in reverse and jeering. the drug war is a failure. in my understanding of where i am now, it's not that we can -- that people will be any better with drugs then, you know, we are. i mean, i am an alcoholic, recovering alcoholic. i speak from experience here. what my problem is is not the people using the drugs. it's the people who will then see a drug user in the street and force me to pay for rehabilitation for that person. if that person wants to kill themselves by using drugs,

that's their business. i have no problem with that. the clarity has come mean we don't have any money. clearly it as -- clearly working as opposed prohibition did. john: and there were hassling you. >> though, yes. the thing is, someone said, you are hijacking the libertarian -- highjacking what? hijacking what? and on political movement? i mean, especially when i really don't understand, gentlemen is you and i have always gone along. we disagree on things. but i don't understand when somebody says to make a million know what to my moving your direction, i will admit, the patriot acting more on this wiretaps. i was wrong on those. moving interaction. i am a big defender against the drones. and i was under the bush ministration. okay. i'm going to mooe your direction.

why would you, instead of embracing a man saying, come on, you still have some friends. you have to take care of them, c'mon end. why instead the people stand there and say, we don't want you? that's going to give you 1%, and it's going to continue to give us the two choices of the republican and the democrats. we will have a lot in common except progressivism. henry of liberty in the very ways of that and try to get people to come closer? john: awards were big. we went in to prevent world war three. we have to succeed there. the problem i have, they want to stop everything and come home. john: change of opinion, big change of opinion. the best way to explain my opinion is when you have to go to war, go wind compound them, and then go home.

we are not rebuilding year. we're teaching you a lesson. the oscar with us. we will screw with you. that is it. the best way to get people -- in this is an evolving and pretty solid understanding, the reason why we were given the statue of liberty as a gift is because w paid attention to our stuff and not everybody else's stuff. on our money. a new lesson i learned in the last year-and-a-half, refer started minting money to nasa in god we trust, it said mind your business. think we should put that back. our problems. john: to the release a mind your business? >> estimated. the first money said mind your business. i love that. and if we would do that more people would want to come toward us. john: and then some quick ones. foreign aid. john: -- >> abolish it. john: in this? >> yes. john: the fed? >> abolish it. john: gambling, legalize it? >> i have a problem with it.

it is a vice that i don't really care. vegas is still standing. whenever. john: sex work, prostitution. >> i have a problem with that one. and not there. john: okay. the marriage. always been there. don't change my church and say my church has to marry people. i won't tell you that your church doesn't have to. john: i welcome you to libertarianism and moving more toward it. i would love to have some longer conversations with you. you have been in this space for a very long time. >> i still have a lot to learn, but i will tell you, it is refreshing to talk to somebody who will welcome somebody with open arms and even though a lot of stuff is wrong about the internet, i am willing to admit when i have been wrong and